Reform Deputy Leader In On-Air Bust-Up With Sky News Presenter Over Reform Deportation Plan

Matt Barber and Richard TiceReform UK’s deputy leader was involved in an extraordinary on-air bust-up with a Sky News presenter as he was quizzed on the party’s plans to deport hundreds of thousands of immigrants.Richard Tice even asked Matt Barbet “are you on the side of international lawyers” as he appeared to lose his temper during the live interview.The clash came after Reform pledged to deport 600,000 illegal immigrants in five years if it wins the next election.Under “operation restoring justice”, Nigel Farage said he would withdraw the UK from the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and other international treaties to stop “activist judges” blocking his plans.Farage said Reform would also revive the Tories’ failed Rwanda plan, while also paying the likes of Afghanistan and Iran to take back their asylum seekers.That prompted Barbet to ask Tice: “You said you would do deals with despotic governments in Afghanistan and Sudan and send them straight back. Is that the moral thing to do?”The Reform deputy leader said: “Sometimes, you do business with people you may not get on with, who may not be your friends. That’s life. Leadership is tough.”Barbet then asked again: “Is it moral?”Tice replied: “I’ll tell you what is not moral, that is putting the safety of our women and girls, British citizens, at risk. That is completely immoral.”Asked if a Reform UK government would do a deal with the Taliban, he said: “We will do whatever is necessary to protect the safety and security of British citizens.”But the presenter told him the Taliban “do far worse to women and girls than anything that happens in this country”.Tice hit back: “Whose side are we on? Are you on the side of international lawyers and the likes?”Barbet told him he “wasn’t on anyone’s side, I’m just questioning where this is coming from and what your principles are”.The MP replied: “My principles are, and our principles at Reform, is to defend our borders, protect our sovereignty and protect the safety of British citizens, women and girls. That is the role of British government, nothing else.“It’s not our job to police or patrol other regimes around the world, however desirable or undesirable they may be.“The reason we’ve got into such a terrible state at the moment is because of the weakness of the existing establishment, the Labour and the Tory parties, who have betrayed the British people on this, let us down, lied to us, misinformed us. Now the truth’s coming out and guess what? The British people are a bit grumpy.” 'Is it moral?'Sky's @MattBarbet asks Reform UK's Richard Tice whether doing a deal with the Taliban to deport illegal immigrants back to Afghanistan would be the 'moral thing to do'.https://t.co/TDwjZK3Bcq📺 Sky 501 and YouTube pic.twitter.com/J5hqIZv8Je— Sky News (@SkyNews) August 26, 2025Related...Here's What's In Reform's Mass Deportation Plan – And Why It Won't WorkNigel Farage Says Reform Will Deport All Illegal Immigrants. But Last Year He Said It Was 'Impossible'Keir Starmer Dismisses Nigel Farage's Mass Deportation Plan With A Simple 2-Word Slapdown

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